Michelle:

Well, hey there, everyone. It's Michelle Arant, Kris's director of operations. And today's episode is a little different than usual. Kris and I were in the middle of a team meeting talking about something that actually started with an experience with her pet sitter, of all things. And then it led us into this great conversation about the importance of setting clear expectations, whether it's at work or at home. And then from there, we found ourselves talking about how uncomfortable people can be with friction and how sometimes that discomfort is exactly what helps us grow. So we decided to just hit record right then and there. So there's no fancy studio, no soundproof recording booth, just a real in-the-moment dialogue. So the sound isn't perfect, but we do hope that what we talked about really resonates with you. So let's jump in.

Kris Plachy:

Okay, so here's what happened. So we have, we have a pet sitter that we. That we use for years, that we love and trust. And she comes to the house and, and she's great, but she's not. She's busy. She's not as available as she used to be to us. So we needed. We needed a pet sitter for last week when we had to go to Seattle for Kate's game and to visit my dad. And are you still there?

Michelle:

I am if you're recording it for a podcast. I'm just trying to be quiet.

Kris Plachy:

No, you just go right along. Don't worry about that. I think we should just record it, see what happens. We'll decide if we like it. Okay. Even this part right here. So we're kind of in a jam. And Mike sort of took the job of finding the pet sitters. Peter, pet sitter for all the travel we had for games. And he, he forgot that we didn't have anybody for the. For the last week when we were out of town. And we didn't realize that until like four days before we were leaving. And we were going to be on Saturday through Wednesday. So anyway, so my assistant had a recommendation, who is her neighbor. And so this, her neighbor is young, she just graduated from high school. So she came over a couple days before we were going to leave. And she's lovely, right? She's 18, she's really sweet. The dogs liked her. Like, I'm like, this is going to be fine, right? She's going to be fine. She's just a cute little thing. I might have maybe needed to be a little on edge when I went to show her how to use the tv and she said, oh, it's okay. I don't watch tv. And it just had a minute because I'm like, oh, you're 18, you don't watch TV? What? I said, well, what do you do?

 

Kris Plachy:

She she says, I. I read.

 

Kris Plachy:

I'm like, okay, okay. That's a lot of quietness in your head. So.

 

Kris Plachy:

But I was back.

 

Kris Plachy:

I was actually sort of admired it.

 

Kris Plachy:

I was like, wow, what would that be like, not to watch tv?

 

Kris Plachy:

Y.

 

Kris Plachy:

Imagine what else you could get done in your life if you didn't need to watch your show, right? Or seven shows.

 

Kris Plachy:

So anyway, so we leave and our son is covering kind of the first part of the day that we're gone. And then she was supposed to show up at 8 o'. Clock. So I'm at my daughter's game and she, the sitter texts me at 8pm and says I'm running late. The event I'm attending is running late. I'm not, I can't be there for a little while. And the dogs are fine. They've been alone for probably four hours or so.

 

Kris Plachy:

Whatever, you know, they're puppies still, so their bladders. Anyway, whatever. So I'm like, okay, well what am I going to do? I'm in Seattle, I'm 1500 miles away. So she finally texts me at like 9:35 or something and says, I'm here, the dogs are good. How often does your clock chime?

 

Kris Plachy:

And I was like, so I have.

 

Kris Plachy:

A grandmother clock, right? And it's a real one, it's not a battery operated one. It's like the wind up kind of clock, right? With the. You have to pull down the chain and it's weighted and. Right. It's old school. It's really lovely.

 

Kris Plachy:

And I responded.

 

Kris Plachy:

I'm like, it goes off every 15 and it gongs every hour.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right?

 

Kris Plachy:

And she responds, oh, I don't think I can stay here.

 

Kris Plachy:

Oh, the chime. I think, I don't think I'll be able to sleep. And she, so she said, is it okay if I leave the dogs in their crate overnight and go home and come back early?

 

Kris Plachy:

And I'm like, what? No, you should have told me that when you came over for the meet and greet. Like I, I don't know what to say. Like what am I gonna do? I can't, I can't control what she does. I'm not there. Right? And so she, so she texted me back after that. She said, oh, I will try and see what happens. And I lost my ever loving mind. I was like, what kind of bullshit is this? This is this, this is what so many of even my clients talk about with people that they're hiring.

 

Kris Plachy:

It's like I can't handle any discomfort so I'm going to go back into my little cocoon where everything is what I like. And I can't handle your clock. Your clock is too disruptive. I'm sorry, right? Whatever her frickin neurodivergence phrase.

 

Kris Plachy:

I'm so sick of it. So sick of it. Like, you know what? You made a commitment, dude. You made a commitment to take care of these animals.

 

Kris Plachy:

You can't handle a clock.

 

Kris Plachy:

Oh my God. Okay, yes. So I feel you.

 

Kris Plachy:

Do you feel this? I was just fine. And then what do you do?

 

Kris Plachy:

You're.

 

Kris Plachy:

But how does somebody, like, I think.

 

Kris Plachy:

About myself when I was 18, if I had, if that had been me.

 

Kris Plachy:

There would be no way I would.

 

Kris Plachy:

Have been like, I'm sorry, but I can't stay here.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right. Like, I would have. My people pleasing would never allow that. I would, I would have to see it through.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right.

 

Michelle:

Well, people pleasing, but then also commitment.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah. Responsibility.

 

Michelle:

Commitment used to be commitment.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right.

 

Michelle:

Like, like it used to mean if I say yes to you, that I'm gonna do it. Even, Even if something else comes up. Even if.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Michelle:

I don't feel like it. Even if this thing is annoying me.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right.

 

Michelle:

I said, I said yes to you and you're depending on me and I'm gonna do it.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes. And I don't need to tell you about it. I don't need to call you and say, your clock is a problem. I mean, right?

 

Kris Plachy:

Oh, my God. Yeah.

 

Kris Plachy:

Your parents.

 

Kris Plachy:

My parents. My mother would.

 

Kris Plachy:

If I had called my mom and said, mom, there's a clock, she would have said, okay, put earplugs in. Go to the grocery store, buy, like, get over yourself. Put on your headphones.

 

Kris Plachy:

I don't stay awake. You're 18, you're not going to be. Turn on the TV.

 

Michelle:

Take the clock outside in the garage.

 

Kris Plachy:

Exactly. That's what, When I told Brooke this story, she's like, oh, hell, I would have put that clock outside.

 

Michelle:

Yes.

 

Kris Plachy:

I'm like, listen, I, I have no control over what goes on in my house when I'm not there, so whatever. Take care of yourself. Right? So.

 

Kris Plachy:

Anyway, so then I, I, we.

 

Kris Plachy:

Have a Ring camera thing. So I looked at the camera when I woke up in the morning at like 6, and she left at like 5 in the morning, she left the house. So I texted her at like whatever time that was 6, 6:30. And said, Hey, I see you left. And she didn't tell me that she was leaving. Are you coming back? Like, what's going on? And no response. So in that amount of time, Mike and I were both like, okay, we have to come up with plan B. Like, this is not going to work.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right. And so we got. Bless our older son, right? Doesn't live very far away. We cajoled him into coming and being like, sleeping there. He goes to work all day, so. And then we asked our neighbors to come over during the day to let him out and just give him a little attention. So we got that all figured out. And then she did the thing, you know, my thing.

 

Kris Plachy:

This is my least favorite thing that people do. So I texted her after we had it all figured out. Probably two and a half, three hours later, I texted her and said, don't come back. You can just give the key to your neighbor who's my assistant. And she immediately replied to that and.

 

Kris Plachy:

Said, oh, I was just about to go back.

 

Kris Plachy:

I'm like, no, no, no, no, you weren't. No.

 

Kris Plachy:

That is honestly my biggest trigger.

 

Kris Plachy:

When people say. When you're like, hey, where's the thing that you said you would. You would get to me?

 

Kris Plachy:

I was just working on it.

 

Kris Plachy:

No, you weren't.

 

Kris Plachy:

No, you weren't. Oh, I was just about to get it to you.

 

Kris Plachy:

No, you weren't. No, you weren't.

 

Kris Plachy:

Now, maybe Once out of 10 times.

 

Kris Plachy:

Someone is act that's genuine, but most of the time, no, you forgot or you don't want to, or you put it off and oh, my God. So she wrote back after I said that, and she said, okay, I'm really sorry. Thank you. That's the end of that pet sitter. So.

 

Kris Plachy:

So that's what I wanted to talk.

 

Kris Plachy:

To you about today was we have a new pet sitter coming.

 

Kris Plachy:

And I'm like, I wanna.

 

Kris Plachy:

I wanna docusign.

 

Kris Plachy:

She has the sign that has all the things in it that I want.

 

Kris Plachy:

To verify and confirm because.

 

Kris Plachy:

Clearly, just.

 

Kris Plachy:

Asking your local yokel to come and be your pet sitter is not enough. You've gotta flush out. Like, I'm like, I think I need to set better expectations for my pet sitter on all the things.

 

Michelle:

It is a job.

 

Kris Plachy:

It is a job.

 

Michelle:

It is. It is an agreement that both of you are entering into. So you need to be clear about. I mean, it really. I mean, that's really what it boils down to.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah. And I was.

 

Kris Plachy:

I was talking to Mike about it.

 

Kris Plachy:

I'm like, you know, there's so many things because we've had a pet sitter for so long that I sort of take for granted. And as I. The more. The more I thought about it, the more I was like, okay, wait, people come and stay in your house and then they act they live in your house. Like they live in their house, right? And I'm like, oh, that probably means I should be more clear about how we live in our house. And if you're going to be living in our house, there's some things like we don't eat in the bedrooms and we don't eat on the couch and we don't eat our food our. Right. Like, we use a bath mat, we take a shower.

 

Kris Plachy:

I don't know. I feel like, there's things that I take for granted that people know, but I. I mean, there's a lot of things that people don't do the same as, as everybody. Right? Like that. What is that? What is that? What is that line or that quote? Like, being in someone else, hanging out with someone else's family is like going to a foreign country. Yes, yes, I know. Because you do travel with people, too, sometimes. So I know. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, you guys do what now? You.

 

Kris Plachy:

You do that. What do you do?

 

Kris Plachy:

You do that with your carrots.

 

Kris Plachy:

That's weird.

 

Kris Plachy:

Why do you do that?

 

Michelle:

Right? Well. And that's. You know, that's interesting that you say that, because I had a moment like that this weekend because I stayed at my friend's house, and everybody, all four of us, have different expectations of the people who spend the night at our houses. Like, we have get togethers. Like, if I go to Karen's house, then I know she wants me to strip the beds. She does not want me to put. She does not want me to put my wet towels with the sheets. She wants me to put my sheets separately from my wet towels.

 

Kris Plachy:

Oh, my God.

 

Michelle:

Counter in her laundry room. Oh, but then. But then at Mandy's house, Mandy, do you want me to, you know, tell me what you want me to do before I leave in the morning? She's like, just. Just strip the beds and leave them. It's fine. I'll. I'll get everything else. Okay.

 

Michelle:

And then when they come to my house, I'm like, what are you talking about? Just leave. I got it.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Michelle:

Like, I don't want you stripping the beds. I don't want you doing anything. Just.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Michelle:

You know, like, so. So I was thinking about that as I was thinking about my child and how I. And how the culture, like, you know, if you put it into a business perspective, what the expectations are, and I don't think I ever taught Mason, hey, when you go spend the night at somebody else's house as an adult, not as a kid, but as an adult, when you go spend the night at somebody else's house, you at least need to ask, hey, what do you want me to do about the sheets? Do you want me to strip the bed? Do you want me to make it? Do you want me to. Do you want me to put these towels? Yeah, Like, I just. I don't think I ever.

 

Kris Plachy:

That is such a good point. It's such a good point.

 

Michelle:

Because it's. I just don't ask that and it doesn't make. It doesn't make my friends wrong for wanting me to help strip the beds.

 

Kris Plachy:

Not at all.

 

Michelle:

And that's not my point. It's just we all have different ways of what we expect in our homes. And so I think it's a great. I think it's a great example of. What's that quote? Unexpressed. Unexpressed expectations lead to resentment or something like that.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Michelle:

Right.

 

Kris Plachy:

Like, yeah.

 

Michelle:

If you. If you don't. If you don't set it. Set clear expectations in the beginning, then it just. It can fall apart so easily.

 

Kris Plachy:

It's so good. It's so interesting because I have never. I. I realize the same thing with my kids. I've never really had that conversation. And of course, they come to our house right. When my kids come home to visit, quote, unquote, put an air quote.

 

Kris Plachy:

They don't strip the bed. They don't do anything. They just leave.

 

Kris Plachy:

They leave.

 

Kris Plachy:

They're unmade. I'm like, oh, I need to teach them. There needs to be hashtag rules. Just from my own visiting adult children.

 

Michelle:

Yeah.

 

Kris Plachy:

Never thought about it as adults.

 

Michelle:

It's different. Yeah.

 

Kris Plachy:

I love this. Yeah. Listen to what we're learning from the pet sitter who couldn't handle the clock. I just can't.

 

Kris Plachy:

I just can't. And I just. You know what I also was thinking? I'm like, I feel bad for this child. Like, this child has not. Like, how is she going to make it in the world if. If a clock is. Makes her want to go home?

 

Kris Plachy:

She was telling me the day I.

 

Kris Plachy:

Met her that she was going to go travel abroad.

 

Kris Plachy:

I'm like, how are you going to. Do you know how many fucking clocks there are in Europe? There's cuckoo clocks over there. They have cuckoos.

 

Michelle:

Well, yes. And go, please, please go and learn. Yeah. This is what life is really like.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Michelle:

You have to adapt. You have to. You have to have.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Michelle:

Friction. And I just think we don't. We just. We don't have. We don't have. Weird. We have not raised a generation of. Of people, humans, whatever, Students.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Michelle:

To know how to deal with friction.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Kris Plachy:

Well, you know, this is interesting. This is the other thing I was thinking about. And we can decide if we want to keep this in our podcast this week or not. But I was listening to a whole thing about Bernie. Not Bernie. Mark Bernioff. His name. He's the founder, CEO of Salesforce.

 

Michelle:

Okay. Yes.

 

Kris Plachy:

He said some derogatory things about San Francisco. And, of course, he's from there, and Salesforce is there, and. And he. You know, he. He had a bad experience when he went into. He lives on the big island of Hawaii now, so he's got his. His compound with gates and guards and all the things. And.

 

Kris Plachy:

But he went into San Francisco and he ran into some homeless people or something and then made some really derogatory comments about San Francisco, which, you know, it's no secret that after Covid. During COVID After Covid, it really. San Francisco really suffered. And. But the. Statistically speaking, it's really changing. It's improving. Crime is down, homelessness is down.

 

Kris Plachy:

It's really getting better, significantly. But regardless, it got me thinking about what you just said, because I started to think about my childhood, and I was thinking I had this. I was like, is it all really worse? Like, everybody wants to say that everything's worse than it used to be when they were kids, right? San Francisco was never like this. Right. Like, I. I actually disagree. So I have always hated San Francisco, even though I lived 15 minutes from it. When I was in college in San.

 

Kris Plachy:

Diego, we had people.

 

Kris Plachy:

Doing heroin in our carport where we lived. Oh, we had homeless people everywhere, all over the beach in San Diego. We. We. They used to come to our door and ask for food. When I was. My family lived in New York city in the 70s and 80s, and when I would go there, my aunt was always like, make sure you don't wear too short shorts. And you always keep your money, you know, in a belt, not in.

 

Kris Plachy:

In your pocket or in a pocketbook. You've got to be really safe. You know, there was always this kind of, like, city. There's just a city, right. Like, living in cities, it's a different. It's a different environment than when you're in the. In the suburbs. But I think we've gotten so gentrified and so suburbanified that people, like, live in their little world with their cute little streets and their little stoplights and their little parks and their little things, and they're.

 

Kris Plachy:

They. They come into a city and they think the world's going to hell in a hand basket.

 

Kris Plachy:

And it's like, no, actually, this is. If you went to 1702, France, Paris, this is what it would look like. There would be people lying in the street.

 

Kris Plachy:

There would be people.

 

Kris Plachy:

This is what has always been the.

 

Kris Plachy:

Case, because people who don't have enough, that's where they gravitate, because there's more access to things in a city. Right. Than in the suburbs.

 

Kris Plachy:

And so I Just think that we've become so hypersensitized because we're not exposed to a whole part of the world, of the human experience, that we think there's something horribly wrong when we get exposed to it. But, no, there's nothing wrong. This is a human experience. You're just hidden from it. And so now. But that discomfort makes people think there's something broken. And I just love the word friction, because I think there's a lot of people who live very frictionless lives. And so then when they.

 

Kris Plachy:

When they have to encounter a moment of discomfort that they are not used to, their reaction is either to get the heck away from it or to judge it so much that it. Make it be that there's something horribly wrong.

 

Kris Plachy:

No, it's just not what you're used to.

 

Kris Plachy:

But it's. It's okay. It's going to be okay.

 

Michelle:

Right.

 

Kris Plachy:

So interesting. Anyway, I. I feel that, right. I live in my little suburban bubble, and when I go into the cities, I'm like, oh, okay.

 

Kris Plachy:

You know, it just feels.

 

Kris Plachy:

There's so much more energy and there's so many more people, and there's all sorts of people. Lots of people talking to themselves and lots of people.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right. There's just all sorts of people you don't see every day on your way to Safeway or the Piggly Wiggly.

 

Michelle:

Right? Right. Yeah.

 

Kris Plachy:

So the moral of the story is.

 

Kris Plachy:

If you don't like a chiming clock.

 

Kris Plachy:

You should get one, because here's the. Here's the capstone to this. When I got the clock, which I probably talked about this on a podcast so long ago, I. I wanted a grandmother clock. And then right after I decided I wanted a grandmother clock, one came up for sale on next door, down the street from my house for $170. And I could. I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh, my God, I am meant to have this clock. And so I drove down the street and I paid the $170 and I got it home and I set it up, and I'm so excited. I got it all wound up.

 

Kris Plachy:

I got the. You know, the weights all set up and. And I put it in our living room. And I grew up with chiming clocks. My mom had three in our house. So every. Everywhere in the house, there were clocks going off all the time. And the first time the clock chimed, my youngest son freaked out. He's like, what? What is that? What is that? We can't have this clock. Oh, my God, I'm never gonna sleep it's terrifying. It's like. It's like from a horror movie, you know, like, right.

 

Kris Plachy:

That's their frame of reference.

 

Kris Plachy:

I'm like, no, no, no, no. It's soothing, it's lovely. It'll make you sleep, it's happy. And you won't even hear it. After a while, you won't even hear it. And he was like, no.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right. It was awful. Then for literally about two weeks, this kid was just suffering with the clock.

 

Kris Plachy:

Like, please, Mom, can you turn it off at night? Oh, my God.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right?

 

Kris Plachy:

No, I can't.

 

Kris Plachy:

Nope. It's our clock. We love the clock. I'm keeping the clock.

 

Kris Plachy:

And so I called him after this whole pet sitter thing. I'm like, check this out. And he thought it was so hysterical.

 

Kris Plachy:

Because now he never hears the clock. Right. Of course he doesn't hear the clock. And he kind of likes the clock. So if anybody's listening and you are that person and you can't stand a chiming clock, my advice to you is let's. Let's single handedly create a resurgence in the clock industry and everybody should go buy a chiming clock. That's my advice. And you will not hear that clock.

 

Kris Plachy:

Within a week, you will stop hearing it and it will blow your mind. And then when you go into a house that doesn't have a clock, it will feel quiet and weird because that's what happens to me now. Like, it doesn't feel right. There's no clock. Why isn't there a clock? How can anybody not want a clock? Anyway, that's my story.

 

Michelle:

Expect memories of my grandparents because they had clocks. They had three. And they. And my grandmother would set them a minute apart so that. So at 12.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Michelle:

You got to hear 12 from 1 and then you got to hear 12 chimes from the other and then the other. Right.

 

Kris Plachy:

Perfect.

 

Michelle:

So I. Yep.

 

Kris Plachy:

So good job, grandma.

 

Michelle:

I totally. Yep. I told. It's for. It's taking me back.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Michelle:

But it does take. You have to. You have to get used to it.

 

Kris Plachy:

You do.

 

Michelle:

Yeah.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Michelle:

You have to listen to it.

 

Kris Plachy:

So. Yeah.

 

Kris Plachy:

Well, we all need a little friction. Is. What is the moral. Everybody can handle a little difficult. It doesn't mean that we have to run back into our little bubble. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with other people. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. It just means you run into something that makes you go, ew, I'm uncomfortable with this. I wonder why. And then that's an opportunity for your own Growth, not for everybody else to change so you can feel better.

 

Michelle:

And when you work with people, and when you work with people who you are seeing this same, this in that they have, yes, they need a little resistance in their life.

 

Kris Plachy:

They.

 

Michelle:

Right. They need some pushback. They, they need to learn how to work through it. That if you hire, if you hire this age group, then you, you kind of have to, you kind of have to just put that on your list of. Okay, well, this is, this is what I have to do. Like I have to teach them.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Michelle:

Oh, no, no, this is, this is just part of adulting.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah, yeah.

 

Michelle:

This is what it's like to work in a professional environment. And so let me teach you that you're not going to die from this. And this is how we can go about easing into some of this discomfort.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah. You can have a conversation with Carol in the, in the programming department if, even though she makes you feel really uncomfortable, you can do that. You can have that.

 

Kris Plachy:

And, and I, I know we're picking a little bit on the younger people, but listen, I know some 58 year olds who don't like friction either. They don't like difficult, they avoid all of it. So I do think, you know, examining how, how the comfort of our lives has made it easier to be uncomfortable is a factor. And I get it. I'm, I'm the first to be like, I'm annoyed, like when things don't work the way that I think they should. I'm the first to sort of be like this. I'm uncomfortable with this. But at the same time I don't, I don't usually quit and run away.

 

Kris Plachy:

I, I suck it up. So.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah, anyway, and that's a good point.

 

Michelle:

I, that, that is a good point. I want to say one, one other thing too. I think once when you work with people who maybe have been with you a long time and they're getting up in age just like I'm 55, so I'm, you know that.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah, you're getting up there.

 

Michelle:

I am. I, but, but what my point is I feel a lot of times like I am, it's, it's okay for me to not want to be uncomfortable because I have put in my time, oh, younger years or whatever, and I, I have to really think about do I want to be that, that person or do I want to continue to grow and evolve and do hard things and, and be uncomfortable. And I think a lot of times adults when, especially if they worked in the same company for a long time, they start to feel entitled.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Michelle:

Less friction.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Michelle:

Right. Like, it's easier to not have friction or resistance. And so I'm just not going to deal with it because, well, I'm getting. I'm older. Right. I've put in my time. I've. I've gone through the, you know, the tough parts. And so I don't want to deal with that anymore. So I'm not going to.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Michelle:

And then I. I kind of think, yeah, no, that's not. That's not who I want to be.

 

Kris Plachy:

Right.

 

Michelle:

Like, I want to. I. Because we're going to have those tough moments.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yes.

 

Michelle:

Forever. And so I just want to. I don't. I don't want to be that person. I just want to be someone who can not be so set in my ways and be open and be uncomfortable if that's what needs to happen. So I think. I think calling people's attention to it to say, hey, like, take a look at this. Is this who you really want to be? Is this?

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah.

 

Michelle:

You know, and understanding the benefits of not throwing in the towel and being uncomfortable at every little thing and being so set in your ways that you don't grow.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah. So I 100% agree with you, and I definitely feel that way. I hit that wall sometimes. Like, I shouldn't have to deal with this anymore. I'm done. I don't want to deal with. I don't want this to be hard anymore. I'm tired.

 

Kris Plachy:

I don't want to. Right. So.

 

Michelle:

Yeah.

 

Kris Plachy:

But I. I think this. I think, you know, what do they say? Like, there's a statistic that's like, you're the. You're the most likely to die within the first year of retiring. It's like this. It's where the highest. The biggest death rate for people is the year after they retire. And.

 

Kris Plachy:

And I think that probably is a factor because you don't have any. You're. You're no longer engaged in a way that, even if it's uncomfortable, you're not. You're not thinking, you're not driving, you're not ideating, you're not solving. And I also think people. Interesting. Yeah. They.

 

Kris Plachy:

My dad was just telling me this. His cardiologist was like, this amazing cardiologist. He retired at, like, 58, and he died two weeks after he retired, had a heart attack. And. Yeah. And, like, it's. It's something to do with, like, you also. Gun for it.

 

Kris Plachy:

Like, you. You gun. Gun done. You go, go, go, go, go. And then you stop. And. Yeah. Your body just is like, okay, we're done.

 

Kris Plachy:

Anyway, that's a little morbid. But I. I do agree with what you're saying, like, and I check myself a lot. You know I do. Especially when it comes to funnels.

 

Kris Plachy:

Yeah, right, right.

 

Michelle:

All the things in the business.

 

Kris Plachy:

You'll be happy to know I've signed up for two new classes to learn two new things. So. Okay. I keep putting myself out there. Like there's. There's going to be another thing I'm going to learn. Here we go.

 

Michelle:

Okay, Here we go. And then therefore, I get to learn.

 

Kris Plachy:

You get to learn. And if you want to earn, you got to keep learning. Earning equals. Or learning equals Earning. Yes, yes. So if you're listening to this and you resist all things that you feel friction up against it, that just means.

 

Kris Plachy:

It'S time to learn. So you better go sign up for something right now. Maybe the Sage Master Mini Mind Mini Mastermind. What is it? Sage Mini Mastermind. Yeah, we should do that. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Michelle:

Yep.

 

Kris Plachy:

Okay, that's.

 

Michelle:

That'll stretch you for sure.

 

Kris Plachy:

That'll stretch you.

 

Kris Plachy:

We'll have fun. Stretching. Stretching your brain Calisthenics for the mind.

 

Michelle:

Sage Mini Mastermind.